Talk Ranger to me

[the5Gmartian]

See I hate when people say “you can get a full size truck for the same price,” but no you can not. You can get the very lowest base model for about the same price as the Lariat Ranger. The difference in price between both trucks being Lariat trim is 20k. Im not buying a 2020 or newer truck that still has keys, no apple carplay and not modern features. If I wanted that, I would have stayed in my 2003 Chevy.

Price aside though, today’s midsize is essentially the size of the old full size trucks. Midsize is easier to maneuver, easier to park, easier for the wife to drive and also fits better on offroad trials.

The downside is the 5’ bed (works fine for me, but lots of people like 6’ with a super-crew), the width and the amount of interior space that you have, but if you need more than that, there is a full size option.

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[HenryMac]

First truck purchase for me....didn't realize factoring in hauling a sheet of plywood was a prerequisite when buying one. I've never purchased a sheet of plywood in my 4 decades on this planet.

Needed the larger cab for the family. The bed extender does its job when I need a bigger bed but definitely would love the SCabs larger bed with the larger cab.

40... you youngster you. ?

The 4 x 8 sheet ref. is merely an analogy... something many truck owners use as a reference for bed size.

Every seen or heard of a Chevy Longhorn... with a 9 foot bed?

 

[Tracy Bowman]

Hey folks I wanted to come here for some owner opinions on the new ranger. I am one of those guys who struggles to understand the midsize segment because of the pricing. To me its always been a no brainer to just go with the fullsize. That said I think the tacoma and especially the current ranger are attractive trucks and as a household we currently have a f150 and my truck a 5th gen ram 1500. I've had a couple weird issues with the ram all under warranty but thats left me with little confidence in long term ownership and since we already have one fullsize I am thinking of trading my ram.

On memorial day I went to look at a tacoma for the second time. I Absolutely hate that truck and have no idea why people like them so much. Its slow and the seating position is terrible and has worse mpg than both of our fullsize trucks. It just makes zero sense to buy. The same dealer had a slightly used 2020 fx4 ranger with the tow package and while I've driven the ranger twice before, driving it right after the tacoma really put the ranger into perspective. Its a much better truck.

I am definitely considering picking up the ranger but wanted to hear some of the things you like most about your ranger and some of the things you like the least about it. For me I am little concerned about the bed size and the overall space inside long term. We outdoors and I do some light trail riding during the hunting season. Looking for a dependable daily and utility truck.

** UPDATE**

Compairing my current ram to the ranger towing and payload really stuck out. Our f150 is way ahead of both of these trucks but we are keeping that one. These numbers are so close togther I might just go with the ranger now.

2019 ram 1500 4x4 etorque

Max Payload 1,830
Max Towing 8,230

2020 ranger

Payload - 1,560
Max towing 7,500

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thanks in advance!

No way can I narrow it down to just one thing. I love EVERYTHING about my 2019 Ranger!

 

[yyyames]

See I hate when people say “you can get a full size truck for the same price,” but no you can not. You can get the very lowest base model for about the same price as the Lariat Ranger. The difference in price between both trucks being Lariat trim is 20k. Im not buying a 2020 or newer truck that still has keys, no apple carplay and not modern features. If I wanted that, I would have stayed in my 2003 Chevy.

Price aside though, today’s midsize is essentially the size of the old full size trucks. Midsize is easier to maneuver, easier to park, easier for the wife to drive and also fits better on offroad trials.

The downside is the 5’ bed (works fine for me, but lots of people like 6’ with a super-crew), the width and the amount of interior space that you have, but if you need more than that, there is a full size option.

I completely disagree with you on pricing. There is also a huge factor in "what you get" with the small gap in pricing. For instance a slightly used bighorn / lonestar or f150 XLT Is the price of a slightly used ranger currently. Why buy a new ranger which you eat depreciation on When you can bag a 2-3 year old fullsize with low mileage for 5K+ less and way more truck. This is generally what most people are referring to and get hung up on. Even buying new ram with the rebates in a normal market NEW are between 39-42 for the mid trims which are quite nice and the price gap less than 5K. I will concede f150 new has gotten to be a bit much though. Using laramie / king ranch pricing is a complete exaggeration because they're over the top its not a fair comparison at all with the top trim ranger. I've not seen many people comparing ford rangers and tacomas to upper end luxury trim trucks.

Also, A lot of you keep raising the point that full-size trucks of the late 90s were the same size which which in some cases is true that hasnt been the case for so long it doesn't make sense to keep saying it. And if you've been in a 2-3rd gen ram 90s onward its much larger inside than the current ranger.

I didn't make this post to debate pricing but its a fair point to make when buying. A spade is a spade. I think the deciding factor in the purchase will be if I want to sacrifice my rear cabin storage and the bed size. Im torn on it.

 

[HenryMac]

I completely disagree with you on pricing. There is also a huge factor in "what you get" with the small gap in pricing. For instance a slightly used bighorn / lonestar or f150 XLT Is the price of a slightly used ranger currently. Why buy a new ranger which you eat depreciation on When you can bag a 2-3 year old fullsize with low mileage for 5K+ less and way more truck. This is generally what most people are referring to and get hung up on. Even buying new ram with the rebates in a normal market NEW are between 39-42 for the mid trims which are quite nice and the price gap less than 5K. I will concede f150 new has gotten to be a bit much though. Using laramie / king ranch pricing is a complete exaggeration because they're over the top its not a fair comparison at all with the top trim ranger. I've not seen many people comparing ford rangers and tacomas to upper end luxury trim trucks.

Also, A lot of you keep raising the point that full-size trucks of the late 90s were the same size which which in some cases is true that hasnt been the case for so long it doesn't make sense to keep saying it. And if you've been in a 2-3rd gen ram 90s onward its much larger inside than the current ranger.

I didn't make this post to debate pricing but its a fair point to make when buying. A spade is a spade. I think the deciding factor in the purchase will be if I want to sacrifice my rear cabin storage and the bed size. I'm torn on it.

I can't imagine how you'd be happy with a Ranger. I'm 6' 1" tall and when I'm driving our SuperCab, 80% of the time my right leg is leaning on the console. But I've always driven midsized trucks that were "form fitting".

Are you considering a SuperCrew? Doors are smaller than our SuperCab... probably adding to the claustrophobic feel and you saying "Why did I buy this thing?"

Down sizing is always more difficult than upsizing.

 

[the5Gmartian]

I completely disagree with you on pricing. There is also a huge factor in "what you get" with the small gap in pricing. For instance a slightly used bighorn / lonestar or f150 XLT Is the price of a slightly used ranger currently. Why buy a new ranger which you eat depreciation on When you can bag a 2-3 year old fullsize with low mileage for 5K+ less and way more truck. This is generally what most people are referring to and get hung up on. Even buying new ram with the rebates in a normal market NEW are between 39-42 for the mid trims which are quite nice and the price gap less than 5K. I will concede f150 new has gotten to be a bit much though. Using laramie / king ranch pricing is a complete exaggeration because they're over the top its not a fair comparison at all with the top trim ranger. I've not seen many people comparing ford rangers and tacomas to upper end luxury trim trucks.

Also, A lot of you keep raising the point that full-size trucks of the late 90s were the same size which which in some cases is true that hasnt been the case for so long it doesn't make sense to keep saying it. And if you've been in a 2-3rd gen ram 90s onward its much larger inside than the current ranger.

I didn't make this post to debate pricing but its a fair point to make when buying. A spade is a spade. I think the deciding factor in the purchase will be if I want to sacrifice my rear cabin storage and the bed size. Im torn on it.

You can disagree, but I don’t think thats accurate. You talk about depreciation, but my truck is worth more now than when I bought it new. Also, you’re comparing new to used, which makes no sense. If your logic is correct about the ranger depriciating then a used ranger would be cheaper than an f150 and thus more bang for your buck. You’re also comparing a mid trim ram which is an fca product. They’re not really known for their quality. Im not saying you cant get a good value with a full size, but there is no way you’re getting everything a fully loaded midsize truck has for the same money. Its just not gonna happen.

Find the lowest priced NEW f150 or ram or silverado that you can that has the following: leather seats, premium sound system, adaptive cruise control, ford copilot 360, auto high beams, auto windshield wipers, heated seats, power folding mirrors, supercrew, locking rear diff, 4wd with terrain modes, apple car play, key fob, push to start, skid plates and led headlights/taillights. Post the link on here so we can see the price. Then you will see what I mean.

 

[yyyames]

Are you considering a SuperCrew? Doors are smaller than our SuperCab... probably adding to the claustrophobic feel and you saying "Why did I buy this thing?"

Down sizing is always more difficult than upsizing.

Yeah so the one I am looking at is a super crew. For a little more context I've been driving wranglers for a very long time. I am use to the smaller driving space but that doesnt mean I like it lol. I totally understand what you mean about your right leg too! It much worse in the taco imo. When we bought the f150 a few years ago I felt I outgrew the wrangler quite a bit and realized the power of the truck bed. I still have my 2000 TJ. For a long time I've been flirting with the idea of something in-between the capability of the wrangler for our trips but with more space. I think thats where the tacoma and ranger really appeal to me. Since we are keeping the ford and have this ram I figure it could be the right time to swap since we have so much positive equity in the ram. I also quite like the ranger 2.7 and transmission.

 

[yyyames]

You can disagree, but I don’t think thats accurate. You talk about depreciation, but my truck is worth more now than when I bought it new. Also, you’re comparing new to used, which makes no sense. If your logic is correct about the ranger depriciating then a used ranger would be cheaper than an f150 and thus more bang for your buck. You’re also comparing a mid trim ram which is an fca product. They’re not really known for their quality. Im not saying you cant get a good value with a full size, but there is no way you’re getting everything a fully loaded midsize truck has for the same money. Its just not gonna happen.

Find the lowest priced NEW f150 or ram or silverado that you can that has the following: leather seats, premium sound system, adaptive cruise control, ford copilot 360, auto high beams, auto windshield wipers, heated seats, power folding mirrors, supercrew, locking rear diff, 4wd with terrain modes, apple car play, key fob, push to start, skid plates and led headlights/taillights. Post the link on here so we can see the price. Then you will see what I mean.

First off I never claimed you're getting a fully loaded half tun truck for the same price. That was you sir. I made that clear multiple times out absurd that comparison is. Your entire argument about pricing falls apart in the used market. The pricing on these midsize trucks is often the same of more than mid level f150s and ram 1500s which is why so many people say this about midsize trucks.

 

[the5Gmartian]

First off I never claimed you're getting a fully loaded half tun truck for the same price. That was you sir. I made that clear multiple times out absurd that comparison is. Your entire argument about pricing falls apart in the used market. The pricing on these midsize trucks is often the same of more than mid level f150s and ram 1500s which is why so many people say this about midsize trucks.

You’re comparing a new midsize to a used full size and im the one making a bad comparison? Lol ok. Also funny how you can't find a fullsize truck that has comparable options around the same price with all of this value that you talk about. You can get a silverado or ram or f150 with cloth seats and halogens and no locker for about the same price as a lariat, but thats good value to you because you’re only looking at the bottom line.

 

[FoD]

... I also quite like the ranger 2.7 and transmission.

 

[yyyames]

You’re comparing a new midsize to a used full size and im the one making a bad comparison? Lol ok. Also funny how you can't find a fullsize truck that has comparable options around the same price with all of this value that you talk about. You can get a silverado or ram or f150 with cloth seats and halogens and no locker for about the same price as a lariat, but thats good value to you because you’re only looking at the bottom line.

Bringing up new and used prices is relevant. You keep making dishonest points about when I am responding directly to something you've said. XLT rangers both new and used range 35-40K which puts them in the same price range of the trucks I keep talking about over and over. Pricing is one of the major reasons people end up buying fullsize over a midsize both consumers and the automotive manufacturers know this and are pretty public about it.

 

[jsphlynch]

I think as of right now I just need to think if I can live with the bed...

This was honestly the biggest holdup for me when I was shopping. I was coming from a 2003 regular cab Ranger, and was having a hard time coming to terms with an "upgrade" coming with a foot shorter bed (Crew cab was a must due to the number of new kids since I bought my previous Ranger). I do a fair number of weekend projects and didn't like the idea of how far out the back some of my lumber would be sticking. Almost went with a Colorado just to solve this problem. But there was just too much to love about this truck.

Pros:
-It fits everywhere I want it too. In my garage. In between cars in traffic. In parallel parking spots. On narrow roads.
-I fit it. I know there's a few people that disagree with me on this point, but the way I nestle into that seat is really, really comfortable.
-It's a kick in the pants to drive. This was probably the biggest reason it won out over the Colorado: there's a quickness and a nimbleness that I really enjoy.
-It made me a member of this forum, and most of the folks on here really rock.

Cons:
-The aforementioned bed size. I got one of those bed extender thingies that slips into the hitch for my longer lumber, which is a workable solution.
-Some random fit-and-finish issues. Nothing serious, and they're mostly almost unnoticeable. But once you do notice them, you can't unsee them.
-Since the purchase, I added another kid to the family. Without a middle front seat, we no longer all fit at once.
-It made me a member of this forum, which is directly related to certain spending disputes with the wife.

 

[yyyames]

I misspoke, I mean the 2.3 lol

 

[the5Gmartian]

Bringing up new and used prices is relevant. You keep making dishonest points about when I am responding directly to something you've said. XLT rangers both new and used range 35-40K which puts them in the same price range of the trucks I keep talking about over and over. Pricing is one of the major reasons people end up buying fullsize over a midsize both consumers and the automotive manufacturers know this and are pretty public about it.

so let me get this straight… you don’t own a ranger, but you made an account on a ranger forum to comment and bitch about how the ranger is a horrible value and you want to buy a used full size instead because it is so much more truck for the money…. Sounds about right.

 

[jsphlynch]

Your entire argument about pricing falls apart in the used market. The pricing on these midsize trucks is often the same of more than mid level f150s...

So I had to check this out (I know that when it comes to new trucks, the claim that F150 gets you more truck for basically the same price as the Ranger is a myth, but I had never looked at the validity of the claim for used trucks before).

I searched Carvana for F150s and Rangers, limited to 2019's, XLTs, Crewcabs (with the 5.5-ft bed for the F150).
-The search returned 17 F150s, of which 12 were listed for more than $40k. Looking at the pricing, I'm estimating the median price is about $42k.
-The search returned 26 Rangers, of which 2 are listed for more than $40k. Median looks to be somewhere in the $35-36k range.

So on Carvana at least, pricing patterns in the used market are the same as the pricing patterns in the new market.

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