Fuel in oil

[Overland395]

I have a brand new Ranger, 200 miles on it and love it so far. I was reading this thread and decided to check the smell of the oil on the dip stick. Mine had a smell on it similar to gas, not sure if the new oil had a strong smell or not but was a strong smell. The feel and look of the oil seems ok. I have attached a picture of the paper towel I used to wipe the dip stick a few times. Does this seem like the same issue?

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[MotoWojo]

I have a brand new Ranger, 200 miles on it and love it so far. I was reading this thread and decided to check the smell of the oil on the dip stick. Mine had a smell on it similar to gas, not sure if the new oil had a strong smell or not but was a strong smell. The feel and look of the oil seems ok. I have attached a picture of the paper towel I used to wipe the dip stick a few times. Does this seem like the same issue?

I wouldn't worry about the smell, and just keep an eye on the level. If it is not rising past the max level mark and beyond, I would not be concerned. After a lot of researching, it seems a little fuel dilution is the nature of the beast for these DI, turbo'd engines and nothing to worry about unless the oil level continues to climb, then something else would be amiss.

 

[Brisko_Michigan]

Same trend here. Three oil changes in 1500 miles and its above max fill dot again. 7000 miles total.

Dilution was 1.5% at 600 miles of use; high for the duration. I will test again at 2000.

Dealership claims Ford won’t allow additional testing or a fix because it’s not throwing a code. The dipstick level isn’t enough.

Keep calling Ford...more the merrier.

 

[Overland395]

I wouldn't worry about the smell, and just keep an eye on the level. If it is not rising past the max level mark and beyond, I would not be concerned. After a lot of researching, it seems a little fuel dilution is the nature of the beast for these DI, turbo'd engines and nothing to worry about unless the oil level continues to climb, then something else would be amiss.

Thank you for the reassurance Moto! I love this truck and just picked it up and haven't driven more than 30 miles. I'm guessing that nothing major has happened to these trucks as a result.

 

[MotoWojo]

Same trend here. Three oil changes in 1500 miles and its above max fill dot again. 7000 miles total.

Dilution was 1.5% at 600 miles of use; high for the duration. I will test again at 2000.

Dealership claims Ford won’t allow additional testing or a fix because it’s not throwing a code. The dipstick level isn’t enough.

Keep calling Ford...more the merrier.

I wouldn't be worried at all about 1.5% at 600 miles, I was at 12% at 500 miles. Just keep an eye on the level. Mine would rise very quickly to the max level, about a 1/10in every 50 miles, then it would slow down until it was near the twist, and then it would start rising quickly again. I can only guess it has something to do with the shape of the engine cavity and how it fills? I've been thru 6 oil changes since this started and it has been very consistent, although I have noticed that when the weather was very hot, back in mid summer, it seemed to rise a bit slower.

Also, I have never thrown any codes, what code do they think should show up. The dealer should at least acknowledge that an oil level above the max mark could cause engine damage, at least that is what it states in the owner's manual. My advice would be, if the oil level keeps rising, open a case# with Ford Customer Care and keep very good records of all service visits.

Good luck moving forward, let us know what the 2000 mile check comes in at.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Dropped my truck off this morning, got a loaner vehicle. Oil level was up to the twist in less than 400 miles on the oil change.Will keep you updated on the next step in my case.

 

[shred5]

I feel sorry for all you people with this issue. Spend so much on your truck and need to rely on it. No company should treat customers like this. I had all the issues with the Focus and know how you feel. It was one of the shortest owned vehicles by me. Took a lawsuit for Ford to take responsibility and admit wrong doing to those with the car but mine was long gone by then. It does not bother me that there is a issue as long as they fix people problems, stuff happens. What good is my extended Ford warranty if they do not fix jack.

This stuff makes me not want to buy a Ford again, this is not the company they used to be.

 

[MotoWojo]

Dropped my truck off this morning, got a loaner vehicle. Oil level was up to the twist in less than 400 miles on the oil change.Will keep you updated on the next step in my case.

I can so relate with this, I hope your regional Ford Service Engineer is more competent than mine and they can actually identify the issue and get you fixed up.

 

[MotoWojo]

I don't know what to make of this, I asked the dealer to give me some documentation stating that I should be driving my truck for at least 5000 miles before bringing it back in to finish the service. The dealer copied the email from the Field Service Engineer, less the contact information. It reads:

"engineering has told me HPFP fixes all the complaints they are aware of. So at this point, they have not provided anything helpful.

In case I don't get back to you soon, let's gather the oil samples and continue to run the truck to the next oil change and gather oil samples again (at least 5k miles on the oil).

If we can show a growing pattern of fuel dilution with oil analysis between and 1100 mile sample and then a 5000 mile sample, then we can make a decision if short or long block is required for this concern."

The last part had me thinking they have already decided to replace the engine, but the dealer inquired with the Field Service Engineer, at my request, and what he replied with was that he didn't mean that at all, and he doesn't believe that the there has been any excess wear to the engine nor will there be driving it to the 5000 miles that he required, even though he admitted seeing the 12% & 13% fuel dilution samples and the viscosity well out of spec. He claimed the oil sample showed low wear metals, so he said everything was fine. I don't know where the logic is that a 12% dilution, 500 mile sample showing low wear metals indicates that the 5000 mile sample will also show low wear metals?

Anyways, hopefully Ford will end up doing the right thing, and actually fix it or replace the engine. I currently have ~3600 more miles to drive, before they finish the service, and the oil level is into the twist, darker in color, and dripping almost like water from the dipstick.

 

[N. J. Jim]

I don't know what to make of this, I asked the dealer to give me some documentation stating that I should be driving my truck for at least 5000 miles before bringing it back in to finish the service. The dealer copied the email from the Field Service Engineer, less the contact information. It reads:

"engineering has told me HPFP fixes all the complaints they are aware of. So at this point, they have not provided anything helpful.

In case I don't get back to you soon, let's gather the oil samples and continue to run the truck to the next oil change and gather oil samples again (at least 5k miles on the oil).

If we can show a growing pattern of fuel dilution with oil analysis between and 1100 mile sample and then a 5000 mile sample, then we can make a decision if short or long block is required for this concern."

The last part had me thinking they have already decided to replace the engine, but the dealer inquired with the Field Service Engineer, at my request, and what he replied with was that he didn't mean that at all, and he doesn't believe that the there has been any excess wear to the engine nor will there be driving it to the 5000 miles that he required, even though he admitted seeing the 12% & 13% fuel dilution samples and the viscosity well out of spec. He claimed the oil sample showed low wear metals, so he said everything was fine. I don't know where the logic is that a 12% dilution, 500 mile sample showing low wear metals indicates that the 5000 mile sample will also show low wear metals?

Anyways, hopefully Ford will end up doing the right thing, and actually fix it or replace the engine. I currently have ~3600 more miles to drive, before they finish the service, and the oil level is into the twist, darker in color, and dripping almost like water from the dipstick.

Doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Hopefully I can get better results and help you in your situation.I will definitely keep you up to date on my situation!

 

[SymChris]

I don't know what to make of this, I asked the dealer to give me some documentation stating that I should be driving my truck for at least 5000 miles before bringing it back in to finish the service. The dealer copied the email from the Field Service Engineer, less the contact information. It reads:

"engineering has told me HPFP fixes all the complaints they are aware of. So at this point, they have not provided anything helpful.

In case I don't get back to you soon, let's gather the oil samples and continue to run the truck to the next oil change and gather oil samples again (at least 5k miles on the oil).

If we can show a growing pattern of fuel dilution with oil analysis between and 1100 mile sample and then a 5000 mile sample, then we can make a decision if short or long block is required for this concern."

The last part had me thinking they have already decided to replace the engine, but the dealer inquired with the Field Service Engineer, at my request, and what he replied with was that he didn't mean that at all, and he doesn't believe that the there has been any excess wear to the engine nor will there be driving it to the 5000 miles that he required, even though he admitted seeing the 12% & 13% fuel dilution samples and the viscosity well out of spec. He claimed the oil sample showed low wear metals, so he said everything was fine. I don't know where the logic is that a 12% dilution, 500 mile sample showing low wear metals indicates that the 5000 mile sample will also show low wear metals?

Anyways, hopefully Ford will end up doing the right thing, and actually fix it or replace the engine. I currently have ~3600 more miles to drive, before they finish the service, and the oil level is into the twist, darker in color, and dripping almost like water from the dipstick.

Interesting... wonder if they’re thinking that it can be resolved with a PCM flash of some sort like they did for the Escapes with the coolant intrusions (like my ‘17, which has been good *knocks wood*). To my meager thinking, it sounds like a similar open-deck versus closed issue that’s throwing a wrench into all this, and where to add in the “fix”.

While I know others have gone through this, sounds like you’re the new guinea pig for this one... ?

 

[P. A. Schilke]

I don't know what to make of this, I asked the dealer to give me some documentation stating that I should be driving my truck for at least 5000 miles before bringing it back in to finish the service. The dealer copied the email from the Field Service Engineer, less the contact information. It reads:

"engineering has told me HPFP fixes all the complaints they are aware of. So at this point, they have not provided anything helpful.

In case I don't get back to you soon, let's gather the oil samples and continue to run the truck to the next oil change and gather oil samples again (at least 5k miles on the oil).

If we can show a growing pattern of fuel dilution with oil analysis between and 1100 mile sample and then a 5000 mile sample, then we can make a decision if short or long block is required for this concern."

The last part had me thinking they have already decided to replace the engine, but the dealer inquired with the Field Service Engineer, at my request, and what he replied with was that he didn't mean that at all, and he doesn't believe that the there has been any excess wear to the engine nor will there be driving it to the 5000 miles that he required, even though he admitted seeing the 12% & 13% fuel dilution samples and the viscosity well out of spec. He claimed the oil sample showed low wear metals, so he said everything was fine. I don't know where the logic is that a 12% dilution, 500 mile sample showing low wear metals indicates that the 5000 mile sample will also show low wear metals?

Anyways, hopefully Ford will end up doing the right thing, and actually fix it or replace the engine. I currently have ~3600 more miles to drive, before they finish the service, and the oil level is into the twist, darker in color, and dripping almost like water from the dipstick.

HI Motowojo,

I would very much like to understand how and why a HPFP resolves the concern. This makes no sense to me, but I do not understand the GDI system calibration at all. I am not satisfied that the full story is understood by this malady and am sad that Ford offers up no explanation other than part replacement...why...what does a bad HPFP do? Run all the time? Fuel pressure is unregulated at the HPFP? I just do not get it. Leaky injector(s), I get. HPFP...not so..

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[MotoWojo]

HI Motowojo,

I would very much like to understand how and why a HPFP resolves the concern. This makes no sense to me, but I do not understand the GDI system calibration at all. I am not satisfied that the full story is understood by this malady and am sad that Ford offers up no explanation other than part replacement...why...what does a bad HPFP do? Run all the time? Fuel pressure is unregulated at the HPFP? I just do not get it. Leaky injector(s), I get. HPFP...not so..

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

I believe the thought is that the fuel is leaking down into the head from the HPFP? It doesn't matter in my case, as they already replaced the HPFP once and the injectors twice. I think what he is implying, is that since they have replaced the HPFP and the injectors, they have no idea what is causing the issue, therefore they don't know how to fix it, and they are just telling me to keep on driving it to see how bad it gets after 5000 miles. My dealer thought that the Field Engineer wanted me to keep driving it so they could learn more about this issue, which they are seeing more of with the Ranger. The Field Engineer even went as far as to say, in another email, that fuel dilution just may be a characteristic of Ranger 2.3L engine. They are using my truck as a guinea pig and it sucks. I either do as they say, and keep driving the truck, or they won't fix it.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

I believe the thought is that the fuel is leaking down into the head from the HPFP? It doesn't matter in my case, as they already replaced the HPFP once and the injectors twice. I think what he is implying, is that since they have replaced the HPFP and the injectors, they have no idea what is causing the issue, therefore they don't know how to fix it, and they are just telling me to keep on driving it to see how bad it gets after 5000 miles. My dealer thought that the Field Engineer wanted me to keep driving it so they could learn more about this issue, which they are seeing more of with the Ranger. The Field Engineer even went as far as to say, in another email, that fuel dilution just may be a characteristic of Ranger 2.3L engine. They are using my truck as a guinea pig and it sucks. I either do as they say, and keep driving the truck, or they won't fix it.

Hi Morwojo,

In my opinion the Field Service Engineer should NOT have said that it was a characteristic of a 2.3L GDI engine. I can accept leaking into the oil from the the HPFP, but upon replacement you got another bad HPFP? Bull s*it... Something is wrong, but what it is, is beyond me to help as I have no experience with the 2.3L GDI motor.

There needs to be a leak down test of the motor to determine if the cylinder walls are scored and damaged. He indicates a short block. Take him up on this only after the reason is fully understood. There are good Field Service Engineers and bad ones...not sure where this person is....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[N. J. Jim]

Went back into the thread looking for information. I'm sure most of the people who are having th

is problem are aware of how this HPFP works, but I thought I'd throw this out there again. I would like to know if the Mustang fuel pump is set up the same way.

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